THE BIG PICTURE
       
We arrived in Zurich
about three hours early for our connection to Appenzell, so we had some
time to "see" Switzerland's largest city. We took a bus an hour or so east
to St. Gallen
and then south about half an hour to Appenzell
 where we stayed to hike this area. Six days later we traveled south and
west to Engelberg for another week of 
alpine hiking. Our return flight was out of Zurich.
 
ROMANTIC IMAGES
From the old and pleasantly situated village of Mayenfeld, a footpath winds through green and shady meadows to the foot of the mountains, which on this side look down from their stern and lofty heights upon the valley below. The land grows gradually wilder as the path ascends, and the climber has not gone far before he begins to inhale the fragrance of the short grass and sturdy mountain-plants, for the way is steep and leads directly up to the summits above.So begins Johanna Spyri's 1880 (1881?) classic, "Heidi." Throughout the story, the images she paints of her
 native
Swiss Alps are strong and have lured travelers from all over the world
to enjoy the beauty of the alpine scenery. Many places in our country have
built upon the romantic imagery of Switzerland by comparing local settings
with that area; in Colorado, for example, the town of 
Ouray
in the San Juan Mountains advertises itself as the "Switzerland of America,"
and they are not far off. Here in Nederland, we are less than five miles
from the famous "Switzerland Trail," a 19th century railroad that once
ran from Boulder west to the mining areas in the front range and is now
a scenic area for mountain bikers.
native
Swiss Alps are strong and have lured travelers from all over the world
to enjoy the beauty of the alpine scenery. Many places in our country have
built upon the romantic imagery of Switzerland by comparing local settings
with that area; in Colorado, for example, the town of 
Ouray
in the San Juan Mountains advertises itself as the "Switzerland of America,"
and they are not far off. Here in Nederland, we are less than five miles
from the famous "Switzerland Trail," a 19th century railroad that once
ran from Boulder west to the mining areas in the front range and is now
a scenic area for mountain bikers.
SOME HISTORICAL NOTES
       
1. We've often wondered why the Swiss cars had a "CH" label on them next
to the license plates. The Dutch have "NL" for Netherlands, "F" is for
France, and so forth. What does "CH" stand for? 
Confoederatio
Helvetica--Helvetia being the tribe of Celts who were living 
there over 2000 years ago. The Celts left their imprint almost everywhere in 
Europe, including Switzerland (e.g., "alp" is the Celtic word for "mountain").
       
2. Rome failed to conquer the region, but the Germanic Altemanni tribe
from the north settled the area in the 5th century. The territory was united
under the  Holy Roman Empire 
in 1032. Modern Switzerland grew out of a confederation established in 1291 by 
three small city-states--Uri, Schwyz, and Unterwalden--who
declared their independence from Austrian rule. This historic moment took
place at Rutli Meadows, "The Cradle of Switzerland," a modest site of such
national importance that sometime during their school years, students are
usually brought to this beautiful area above the shore of the Vierwaldstattersee 
(Lake Lucerne). By 1815, this confederation grew into the modern boundaries of 
Switzerland as other city-states joined.
Holy Roman Empire 
in 1032. Modern Switzerland grew out of a confederation established in 1291 by 
three small city-states--Uri, Schwyz, and Unterwalden--who
declared their independence from Austrian rule. This historic moment took
place at Rutli Meadows, "The Cradle of Switzerland," a modest site of such
national importance that sometime during their school years, students are
usually brought to this beautiful area above the shore of the Vierwaldstattersee 
(Lake Lucerne). By 1815, this confederation grew into the modern boundaries of 
Switzerland as other city-states joined.
       
3. Modern Switzerland avoids political alliances; they're not, for example,
members of the UN, NATO, or the European Union, although there is current
pressure to join the EU. The country is often referred to as "neutral,"
though the history of Switzerland during WW II, which many Swiss are now
recognizing publicly, was anything but "neutral." More power is held by
cantons to govern their local affairs than is granted to the central
government. There are 26 cantons
(states), six of which are "half cantons" that were formed when three cantons
(Appenzell, Unterwalden and Basel) split in two: e.g., Appenzell split
into Appenzell Ausserrhoden and Appenzell Innerrhoden, part for the Catholics,
part for Protestants.
       
4. Citizens of the canton of Appenzell Innerrhoden hold their annual 
"Landsgemeinde"
in the town square. Voters (women were granted voting privileges only within
the last ten years) raise their hands in public to vote for or against
political candidates, proposed ordinances, applicants for Swiss citizenship,
and other issues. Hands are counted and the outcome is known immediately.
       
5. There are four national languages recognized in Switzerland: German,
French, Italian, and 
Romansch (spoken by about 1% of the people living in southeast areas).
       
6. The story of William Tell stands foursquare alongside the story of 
George Washington cutting down (or as 
Parson Weems 
wrote, "barked") the cherry tree.
 
THE MOUNTAINS
       
Switzerland is comprised of three regions: The Jura in the north
makes up the French and German alpine region; The Midlands, an area
of flat and rolling countryside that makes up 30% of the land and where
most of the people live; and The Alps, which comprises the 60% of
the land across the southern part of the country and home of our two hiking
destinations.
HIKING IN APPENZELL
 
       
Appenzell is a canton
, a dog,
and a postcard pretty rural village of about 
twenty randomly placed blocks nestled at the foot of Mt. Santis
(elevation about 8100') and the Alpstein region. Just a few miles to 
the east is the Rhine River and, across it, the Austrian Alps. While 
there is some skiing around Appenzell during the winter, this village 
of 4,000 and the area are best known and well suited to hiking, as well 
as to raising 
Brown Swiss cows and making Appenzell cheese. 
(Note: 
Albert Manser's 1987 picture book, "Little
Albert," uses beautiful folk art paintings
to faithfully depict a year in the life of a typical Appenzeller family.
His work, along with other folk artists, was on display and for sale in
several stores in Appenzell as well as the museum shop. It's also likely
found in your public library.)
       
The Hotel Lowen (below) is ideally located in the heart of this small town,
across from shops and restaurants, close to the train station, two blocks
from a river path perfect for morning runs, near the magnificent St. Mauritius
Church with its garden-like cemetery where folks are permitted a burial
spot for twenty-five years only; after that their bones are  exhumed
and buried in the church crypt, thereby making room for another year of
parish deaths). The storefronts that face the narrow streets have hand
painted facades and shutters. (This "tradition" of decorated store fronts
goes back only to the 1930s and was started by in itinerant painter looking
for work.) The village is maintained for window shopping and tourists who
come by the bus loads during the day and usually leave before
dinner.
exhumed
and buried in the church crypt, thereby making room for another year of
parish deaths). The storefronts that face the narrow streets have hand
painted facades and shutters. (This "tradition" of decorated store fronts
goes back only to the 1930s and was started by in itinerant painter looking
for work.) The village is maintained for window shopping and tourists who
come by the bus loads during the day and usually leave before
dinner.
       
The elevation of Appenzell is about 2,700' and our hikes took us no higher
than 6,000'. The terrain ranges from flat along the rivers to moderate
grades in the mountains. We used trains, cable cars, and buses to reach
our trail heads. We measured hiking distances in hours rather than miles,
and averaged three to five hours of actual hiking time each day. Our hikes
in the Appenzell area took us to:
 took the train to Jakobsbad and a gondola 
to the top of Kronberg (elevation about 5500') with great views of the 
whole region. The walking group took the gondola back down and walked along 
the river back to Appenzell. We joined the small group of hikers for the 
often steep downhill hike to the bottom before returning to Appenzell by 
a gentle footpath. On the way down the mountain we passed through the alpine 
summer grazing pastures for the Brown Swiss cows, stopped briefly at a small shrine 
(shown at the right), and, just a short way beyond, bought cheese from a 
woman who makes both cheese (which she sells to hikers) and butter (which 
she sells to restaurants in town) in a two-room hut on the mountainside 
where she lives during the summer.
took the train to Jakobsbad and a gondola 
to the top of Kronberg (elevation about 5500') with great views of the 
whole region. The walking group took the gondola back down and walked along 
the river back to Appenzell. We joined the small group of hikers for the 
often steep downhill hike to the bottom before returning to Appenzell by 
a gentle footpath. On the way down the mountain we passed through the alpine 
summer grazing pastures for the Brown Swiss cows, stopped briefly at a small shrine 
(shown at the right), and, just a short way beyond, bought cheese from a 
woman who makes both cheese (which she sells to hikers) and butter (which 
she sells to restaurants in town) in a two-room hut on the mountainside 
where she lives during the summer. the train to Weissbad and a bus to Brulisau (see the photo at the 
beginning of this web page) to begin our hike to the top. This felt like 
our first "real" mountain hike: a 3000' gain in three hours to the gasthaus 
at 5500' where the views were expansive. To the north we could just make out 
Lake Constance; to the east was the Rhine, Austria and Liechtenstein; and to 
the south and west were the alps and several alpine lakes including Samtisersee 
which fellow hiker, Philip Bennet, captured beautifully in a small watercolor 
that he generously sent us as a remembrance of the trip. After a sack lunch 
and a bottle of Appenzeller 
Bier, we took the gondola back to Brulisau and walked the rest of the 
way back to Appenzell. We hiked and walked about 12 miles today.
the train to Weissbad and a bus to Brulisau (see the photo at the 
beginning of this web page) to begin our hike to the top. This felt like 
our first "real" mountain hike: a 3000' gain in three hours to the gasthaus 
at 5500' where the views were expansive. To the north we could just make out 
Lake Constance; to the east was the Rhine, Austria and Liechtenstein; and to 
the south and west were the alps and several alpine lakes including Samtisersee 
which fellow hiker, Philip Bennet, captured beautifully in a small watercolor 
that he generously sent us as a remembrance of the trip. After a sack lunch 
and a bottle of Appenzeller 
Bier, we took the gondola back to Brulisau and walked the rest of the 
way back to Appenzell. We hiked and walked about 12 miles today. from Appenzell was spectacular, not for the altitude (we only 
climbed to 6200') but for all we saw along the way. We took the train to 
Wasserauen and a cable car up to Ebenalp (5300'). From that drop off point 
we hiked through the 
Wildkirchli Caves (a short tunnel that leads to a small shrine/chapel) 
and out along a narrow path up carved out of the rock face to a gasthaus 
that clings to the side of the mountain. It is a spectacular setting! We 
marveled at what daring and effort it must have taken to build the 
restaurant/hotel this spot. After a brief stop, we continued hiking up to 
the top of Schafler (the upper right-hand green peak) for lunch and then 
hiked back down to the cable car at Ebenalp where, among the Brown Swiss 
cows grazing in the pasture, we watched a dozen folks leap off the side of 
the mountain on hang gliders to soar for miles over the valley, landing as 
close to Wasserauen as possible for their quick return up the mountain to 
Ebenalp by cable car and another jump.
from Appenzell was spectacular, not for the altitude (we only 
climbed to 6200') but for all we saw along the way. We took the train to 
Wasserauen and a cable car up to Ebenalp (5300'). From that drop off point 
we hiked through the 
Wildkirchli Caves (a short tunnel that leads to a small shrine/chapel) 
and out along a narrow path up carved out of the rock face to a gasthaus 
that clings to the side of the mountain. It is a spectacular setting! We 
marveled at what daring and effort it must have taken to build the 
restaurant/hotel this spot. After a brief stop, we continued hiking up to 
the top of Schafler (the upper right-hand green peak) for lunch and then 
hiked back down to the cable car at Ebenalp where, among the Brown Swiss 
cows grazing in the pasture, we watched a dozen folks leap off the side of 
the mountain on hang gliders to soar for miles over the valley, landing as 
close to Wasserauen as possible for their quick return up the mountain to 
Ebenalp by cable car and another jump.
HIKING IN ENGELBERG
       
We left Appenzell for Engelberg, stopping at the medieval castle of Werdenberg,
above the modern village of Grabs. The castle, overlooking the Rhine, was
built about 1230-40 C.E. Major restoration was completed in the 19th century
by new owners and eventually donated in 1956 to the Canton of St. Gall(en)
and made open to the public. We passed through Liechtenstein
(more banks than churches) and on to  Engelberg (elevation 3400') situated 
about an hour south of Lucerne by train. (Note: Engelberg means angel [engel] 
mountain [berg] and refers to a vision by an early monk who, casting about for 
a place to settle, saw an angel on a mountain and decided to stay.)
Engelberg (elevation 3400') situated 
about an hour south of Lucerne by train. (Note: Engelberg means angel [engel] 
mountain [berg] and refers to a vision by an early monk who, casting about for 
a place to settle, saw an angel on a mountain and decided to stay.)
       
We settled in to our rooms at the once grand Hotel Hess (it will be torn down 
this fall), just a short stroll to the heart of this picturesque ski village 
at the foot of 
Mt. Titlis (10,000'). The setting reminded us a great deal of Telluride,
Aspen, Ouray and other Colorado ski towns: a narrow river valley, steep
hillsides, snow on the peaks, with a small town stretching along the valley
where the land is flat.
       
In addition to the hiking in Engelberg, we were fortunate to be in town
for two major events. There was a national dressage competition in the
park in town where we were able to watch some of the horses and riders
practice their programs in the afternoon and evening. In addition, the
day we toured Engelberg's magnificent Benedictine abbey and monastery,
built in 1120 C.E. was on the day of the town's Corpus Christi celebration.
After our tour of the monastery and abbey led by the curator, we hurried
back to the park where townsfolk were gathering to parade to the church:
priests, nuns, old people, families, and lots of well dressed children
in procession to the church for services. We followed and stayed for much
of the service to enjoy the huge organ which was capable of filling the
church with bone-rattling sound. Alas, the organist was timid.
       
The kind and extent of our hikes in Engelberg was dependent upon the weather.
Unlike the warm sunny days in Appenzell, the mountains surrounding Engelberg
were often clouded over, the skies were gray, and we had drizzle and even
snow and white-out conditions one day. Despite it all, we had some fine hiking.
 and an Elderhostel guide during our 
stay, led us up the Aa River to his family's hut on the side of the base of 
Titlis above Herrenruti and across from Alpenrosli. After a steep climb in 
spots and crossing several snow melt streams, we ate our sack lunch on the 
front deck of the cabin. We returned to Engelberg through woods and fields 
with a stop at Dellenstein, a restored house reputed to be the oldest in the 
town. It was built in the late 15th century and lovingly restored by its 
current owners who retained the low ceilings, ceramic wood stove, old piano, 
and restored the fabulous huge cupboard built (and dated) in 1790 that takes 
up an entire 15'-20' wall. The owner served us pie, told us about the history 
of the house, and on our last night in town, showed up as the singer (with her 
husband and two other musicians) for some music and dancing at the hotel.
and an Elderhostel guide during our 
stay, led us up the Aa River to his family's hut on the side of the base of 
Titlis above Herrenruti and across from Alpenrosli. After a steep climb in 
spots and crossing several snow melt streams, we ate our sack lunch on the 
front deck of the cabin. We returned to Engelberg through woods and fields 
with a stop at Dellenstein, a restored house reputed to be the oldest in the 
town. It was built in the late 15th century and lovingly restored by its 
current owners who retained the low ceilings, ceramic wood stove, old piano, 
and restored the fabulous huge cupboard built (and dated) in 1790 that takes 
up an entire 15'-20' wall. The owner served us pie, told us about the history 
of the house, and on our last night in town, showed up as the singer (with her 
husband and two other musicians) for some music and dancing at the hotel. This was to have been the jewel of hikes on our trip, but poor weather prevented 
what would have been a terrific hiking experience: up to the 10,000' peak by a 
series of cable cars, including "the world's only revolving cable car;" a tour 
of the "Glacier Grotto;" followed by a hike to the peak itself and a steep descent 
to town with views that would take our breath away. Instead, we ascended through 
dense clouds to the building at the top, walked through the Glacier Grotto and 
outside where there was a snow-cloud white-out that made any hiking quite 
dangerous for lack of any visibility. So we took the obligatory snapshots and 
rode the cable cars down to the edge of the cloud and returned by a gentle path
to town. The weather gods were against us that day.
This was to have been the jewel of hikes on our trip, but poor weather prevented 
what would have been a terrific hiking experience: up to the 10,000' peak by a 
series of cable cars, including "the world's only revolving cable car;" a tour 
of the "Glacier Grotto;" followed by a hike to the peak itself and a steep descent 
to town with views that would take our breath away. Instead, we ascended through 
dense clouds to the building at the top, walked through the Glacier Grotto and 
outside where there was a snow-cloud white-out that made any hiking quite 
dangerous for lack of any visibility. So we took the obligatory snapshots and 
rode the cable cars down to the edge of the cloud and returned by a gentle path
to town. The weather gods were against us that day.
THE CITIES
       
Not all of our hiking was in the mountains. We engaged in some serious urban 
hiking as well. We enjoyed three walking tours (guided) during our two weeks: 
St. Gallen
, just north of Appenzell; 
Lucerne, called "the most picturesque town in Switzerland," and it 
certainly might be; and Rutli Meadows (not really urban, nor did it 
involve much hiking).
St. Gallen ("St. Gall" on Swiss maps)
       
We became aware once again of the Celtic heritage in Switzerland. The name
of St. Gall must certainly have come from the 7th century monk, Gallus,
a follower of St. Columbanus, who arrived in the Lake Constance area around
612 C.E. with books, both  liturgical and biblical. A scriptorium was built and 
monks from the area took up the art of copying books. A monastery,
founded in the next century by the Benedictines, became the foundation
for the remarkable Abbey
Library of Saint Gall that we toured. In it we saw hundreds of handwritten
and illuminated manuscripts preserved for public viewing. The interior
of the library is equally magnificent with wood inlays, paintings, and
frescos in ornate Baroque designs. The abbey is a Baroque-Roccoco structure
with a great pipe organ and, like all the churches we visited, with clear
windows to allow for plenty of sunlight.
liturgical and biblical. A scriptorium was built and 
monks from the area took up the art of copying books. A monastery,
founded in the next century by the Benedictines, became the foundation
for the remarkable Abbey
Library of Saint Gall that we toured. In it we saw hundreds of handwritten
and illuminated manuscripts preserved for public viewing. The interior
of the library is equally magnificent with wood inlays, paintings, and
frescos in ornate Baroque designs. The abbey is a Baroque-Roccoco structure
with a great pipe organ and, like all the churches we visited, with clear
windows to allow for plenty of sunlight.
       
The monastery and abbey are in the heart of the old part of the city: narrow
winding streets where the shops and apartments seem to lean out toward
each other in a canopy of stucco, brick, and timbers. Not only is St. Gallen
a university town, but was a linen/embroidery center at the turn of the
last century which gave the town its wealth. We had coffee and pastries
at the Pelikan, a small cafe in the old town where, our waiter proudly
informed us, "Your Mrs. Clinton sat right over there at that table" during
a visit sometime in the past eight years.
Lucerne ("Luzern" on Swiss maps)
       
Lucerne is a wonderful city for roaming, walking, looking, sitting, and taking 
pictures. Once we left the main train station and the new and controversial
 modern concert and convention building across the street, we were back into 
the Middle Ages (albeit with car traffic). Among the sights we thought worth
seeing are:
modern concert and convention building across the street, we were back into 
the Middle Ages (albeit with car traffic). Among the sights we thought worth
seeing are:
 "Lion 
Monument," a massive sculpture in rock honoring 700 Swiss soldiers who were killed 
while attempting to save the life of a King Louis XVI in 1792 (who had fled Paris 
without mentioning it to the Swiss soldiers). The sculpture shows a dying lion with a 
knife between his ribs lying in agony upon two shields: one with the French fleur-de-lis 
and the other with the Swiss cross. Below that are the names of the soldiers who died 
for the honor of Switzerland. It was surprisingly moving, even to those of us who are 
non-Swiss nor knew much about the history of the events; and
 "Lion 
Monument," a massive sculpture in rock honoring 700 Swiss soldiers who were killed 
while attempting to save the life of a King Louis XVI in 1792 (who had fled Paris 
without mentioning it to the Swiss soldiers). The sculpture shows a dying lion with a 
knife between his ribs lying in agony upon two shields: one with the French fleur-de-lis 
and the other with the Swiss cross. Below that are the names of the soldiers who died 
for the honor of Switzerland. It was surprisingly moving, even to those of us who are 
non-Swiss nor knew much about the history of the events; andRutli Meadows
       
There is some controversy among historians about whether or not representatives
of the three rebellious cantons--Uri, Schwyz, and Unterwalden--in fact met in 
this particular pasture above Lake Lucerne to form the original
 confederation of cantons that later become Switzerland. That they did meet on 
August 1, 1291, and signed the "Rutli Oath" is well documented. Where the 
event took place doesn't seem to really matter to most Swiss who come here 
to pay their respects to the origins of the country. Besides, it's a beautiful
spot and an easy walk to the lake to board one of the fifteen steamers that take 
folks around Lake Lucerne (on Swiss maps it's called "Vierwaldstattersee,"
which means "the lake of the four forest cantons") from one town to another.
Along the way, you can stop to visit the William Tell Chapel and a monument
to Friedreich Von Schiller, whose 1805 drama, "Wilhelm Tell," put the Tell legend 
in the history books, so to speak. In 1991, to honor the 700 years since the 
confederation, 26 markers--one for each canton and half canton--were placed 
from Rutli to Urnersee separated by a distance calculated at five centimeters 
(?) for every resident of that canton, and in order of the canton's date of 
joining the confederation.
confederation of cantons that later become Switzerland. That they did meet on 
August 1, 1291, and signed the "Rutli Oath" is well documented. Where the 
event took place doesn't seem to really matter to most Swiss who come here 
to pay their respects to the origins of the country. Besides, it's a beautiful
spot and an easy walk to the lake to board one of the fifteen steamers that take 
folks around Lake Lucerne (on Swiss maps it's called "Vierwaldstattersee,"
which means "the lake of the four forest cantons") from one town to another.
Along the way, you can stop to visit the William Tell Chapel and a monument
to Friedreich Von Schiller, whose 1805 drama, "Wilhelm Tell," put the Tell legend 
in the history books, so to speak. In 1991, to honor the 700 years since the 
confederation, 26 markers--one for each canton and half canton--were placed 
from Rutli to Urnersee separated by a distance calculated at five centimeters 
(?) for every resident of that canton, and in order of the canton's date of 
joining the confederation.
 
SOME LASTING IMAGES
 and waysides. If you go on your own, don't bother 
to rent a car. You should, however, plan on walking more than you might 
be used to: it's the only way to really see the cities, and hiking paths 
in the countryside are everywhere and accurately marked.
 and waysides. If you go on your own, don't bother 
to rent a car. You should, however, plan on walking more than you might 
be used to: it's the only way to really see the cities, and hiking paths 
in the countryside are everywhere and accurately marked. get a funny look and be told that all 
the cheese in the case is Swiss. Duh! Although the markets and shops in towns, 
in big cities, at the airport--everywhere--sell good cheeses, the best place to 
buy cheese may be on the hillside, like the one we stopped at above Engelberg. 
The milk was probably raw and the health department may not have been around 
recently, the place was lick-the-floor clean and the cheeses, from both cow and 
goat milk, were wonderfully mild and tasty. We ate more cheese in our two weeks 
than we ate the two years before. In addition to great cheeses, the Swiss beers 
(especially Appenzeller Bier) 
are outstanding, and the breads may be the best anywhere in the world.
 get a funny look and be told that all 
the cheese in the case is Swiss. Duh! Although the markets and shops in towns, 
in big cities, at the airport--everywhere--sell good cheeses, the best place to 
buy cheese may be on the hillside, like the one we stopped at above Engelberg. 
The milk was probably raw and the health department may not have been around 
recently, the place was lick-the-floor clean and the cheeses, from both cow and 
goat milk, were wonderfully mild and tasty. We ate more cheese in our two weeks 
than we ate the two years before. In addition to great cheeses, the Swiss beers 
(especially Appenzeller Bier) 
are outstanding, and the breads may be the best anywhere in the world.
       
Our thanks to the other members of the Elderhostel group for making our two weeks 
so enjoyable,  especially to our fellow hikers: to Ray who set a steady pace and kept us moving;
to Ann and Philip who kept thoughtful conversation flowing and always saw
the light side of things; to Bob and Dace who enthusiastically shared their
previous hiking trips with us; to Diane for her abilities to see through
the camera's lens; and to her brother, Ray, who has promised to visit us
in Colorado to do some high altitude hiking here in Nederland.
especially to our fellow hikers: to Ray who set a steady pace and kept us moving;
to Ann and Philip who kept thoughtful conversation flowing and always saw
the light side of things; to Bob and Dace who enthusiastically shared their
previous hiking trips with us; to Diane for her abilities to see through
the camera's lens; and to her brother, Ray, who has promised to visit us
in Colorado to do some high altitude hiking here in Nederland.
       
In fact, the invitation goes out to you all. We think if you liked Switzerland,
you're bound to like our area. Just take a look at the picture on our home
page: doesn't that photograph of Nederland look a little like Switzerland?
Come see for yourself.
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